|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20692
   |
Posted - 2015.04.21 08:36:26 -
[1] - Quote
alexclone1 wrote:Hello, i am posting with an alt.
Intro: Ive done it all: Build caps; Military Director for a Large Sov holding allaince; FC for small gang leet pvp low sec; FC for high skilled high sec mercs; mining; manufacturing.
So after my Military Director stint for over a year, i took a break from the game. Back in 2010 i was the CEO of a high sec corp. That was most fun ive ever had. We had 160 peeps in 3 months and membership was exploding.
Ive been playing eve since 2006 and back pre 2013 (i think) one had to pay a fixed fee to wardec someone which doubled every time a new entity wardec'd. This means that rarely would a corp get more than 3 war decs at once. The average war dec time was 1 week out of the month.
So i come back to do that high sec corp all over again. The problem is once my corp got to 50 guys in 2 weeks, the war decs came hot and heavy. And they werent like the old days of small corps. Now it was huge multiple war decing alliances. We didnt have a prayer. The corp was wardeced EVERY WEEK afterwards. Thus stomping us out of existance.
Who is there to hire when all the pvpers are in the war decing alliances? Where is there to go? What is there to do?
Sadly i had spent too much $$ for a corp website that never saw the light of day because once i relized the war dec mechanics, it was no longer worth it to be a successful large (50+) high sec corp.
I have no issues fighting, but a 50 man corp spread in euro/american tz simply cant do jack about the HUNDREDS of experienced pvpers camping your stations with nothing better to do.
I would love to have a conversation in the comments from both sides. Perhaps there is some middle ground? There's usually a good reason this happens.
If you get decced constantly it's quite possible you have a badmouth in your corp.
In any case is it wrong to believe that a few can't do much against many.
LOVESQUAD would be a good example.
Even a day old noob cqn be extremely usefull in a war
and replacing his ships is cheap as well.
Most often there are also people in leadership positions they shouldn't be.
In any case would you have to be very unlucky to attract a lot of decs
without giving them any reason, because there are way too many corps to dec.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20696
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 08:47:14 -
[2] - Quote
Six pages in a few hours.
You geniuses really are so easy to play, it's disgusting.
Scipio ... why do you care? He is BAITING YOU INTO RESPONDING!
Use your brain already!
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20698
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 10:02:43 -
[3] - Quote
Response baiting should be a permabannable offense.
Continuous responding to baits as well.
Then we might be able to have an actual discussion.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20726
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 11:17:46 -
[4] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I liked this post so much, and for those whining about people dissolving their corps to evade war dec's, stop whining, there is no issue with it, the fault is yours for war deccing people who can't fight, get over it. Hi Dracvlad, I understand you are happy to see someone who posted something that might lean on your thoughts about our game. Still, I'd love to challenge your premise and maybe invoke some thoughts other than knee-jerk reactions. - What is your alternative to wardecs? - Are you OK with everyone being able to just farm isk without consequence? And maybe a little bit mean but; Why don't you play on sisi? You can PVE there without consequence 24/7. D. 
*leans head on your shoulder*
More posts like these are needed so badly.
Well done!
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20732
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 11:28:33 -
[5] - Quote
Responsebait oneliners which only serve the poster himself ...
... and have no other purpose than making the other one respond ...
... and don't add anything for clearing things up or adding information ...
... should be punished with a warning and then a permaban.
You aren't legit.
nothing more to say about this.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20732
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 11:36:02 -
[6] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Well you are a legend in your own lunchtime, Eve is the easiest game to infiltrate other entities,its so easy I have zero respect for anyone who does it as all you need to do is buy an existing toon on a clean account and your golden, rather like the OP in fact...
The answer is simply that some people find it too much fun taking candy from babies, it makes their self worth greater, I on the other hand have always played this game against enemies who are more numerous and better equipped then me and that I have thrived and survived is all I need to say in return to you, my killboard speaks for itself... Well if you know how legendary I am, then you should also know that I do this for the entertainment (drama), and to see whether or not I can turn a particular corporation around by steering it towards a modicum of efficiency. The fact that you feel the need to bring your killboard into this shows just how insecure you feel about your place in this entire debate. But you know what? I'm not going to go down this path. Instead, I will tell you that you're right; I do find it a lot of fun taking candy from babies. Now you need tell me why I shouldn't be able to do this in the game called EVE Online.
Relevant side question: How often does it happen you recruit people this way?
Like pulling them out of the corp, to your own?
I understand that it can be hard to notice yet locked up potential.
"Recruiting by shooting" works, so this might as well.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20735
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 11:37:33 -
[7] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Oh look a disdainful carebear on its high horse. How terribly new and interesting. I sure do expect for it to have lots of interesting ideas about how to improve the game.
Vimsy.
Response baiting oneliners.
Please don't.
You do as they do, which only makes it worse.
Thanks! :)
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20777
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 14:36:25 -
[8] - Quote
Quotes are messed up...
Lucas... saying a group that originated from PvE and then went to PvP
can not be tougher than a group that started with PvP directly ...
... is like saying these people are incapable to learn and gain practise like the others.
That's not right.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20777
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 14:53:33 -
[9] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Lucas im not sure why you are even worried about this topic you nullbear rat farming renter
Ongoing passive aggressiveness and hatebaiting.
Are you sure you want us to even talk to you?
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20778
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 14:58:12 -
[10] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Dude you even quoted the dev in destinies linked thread, the second one.
NO LONGER are the key words you dont seem to understand. That means that at a time previous to 2011, corp hopping to evade wars WERE AN EXPLOIT cuz at that point in time they became NO LONGER.
Dude you type too much here to act like you dont understand what the dev ment by NO LONGER CONSIDERED Corp hopping isn't what's being questioned though. What we're talking about is corp recycling - the act of deleting and recreating a corp to evade a wardec. That did not say "no longer", it simply said "not an exploit". Please though, find me the dev post stating that corp recycling is an exploit. I'd like to know the answer one way or the other for certain. As it stand there's absolutely no proof it ever was an exploit. Solecist Project wrote:Lucas... saying a group that originated from PvE and then went to PvP
can not be tougher than a group that started with PvP directly ...
... is like saying these people are incapable to learn and gain practise like the others.
That's not right. You misunderstand. A corp that is PvE focussed and has some PvP players is going to be less effective at PvP than a dedicated PvP group who do nothing but PvP.
Ah. Yes. :)
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
|
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20798
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 17:30:01 -
[11] - Quote
alexclone1 wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready?
As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them.
Why do you think this is?
Because those that war dec only want to shoot at miners? And not engage in actual pvp? My point isnt that an industrial corp shouldnt be war dec'd at all. But currently the ability for 300+ people to war dec AT ONCE and PERMANENTLY does seem right. How is a corp supposed to grow to a point where it can defend itself?
Not every corp is destined to do so.
That's a matter of fact.
If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ...
... how do you think it would look like?
Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all.
Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever.
What I mean to say is that ...
... no one has the right to grow a corp.
If your corpmembers are not willing to fight for the corp ...
... then you have bad corpmembers ...
... which means the corp would have failed anyway.
If you have issues defending yourself, then ...
... the CEO needs to learn and teach his member.
... the CEO needs to hire someone who teaches it.
... the corp breaks from being naturally selected.
There are thousands of active corps out there ...
... and they are just fine for one reason or another. Or several.
And I honestly can not stress enough that a bunch of noobs ...
... even day old chars ...
... can help defend their corp based on the instructions of people who know how.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20800
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 17:54:32 -
[12] - Quote
alexclone1 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:alexclone1 wrote:[quote=Destiny Corrupted]I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready?
As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them.
Why do you think this is?
If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ... ... how do you think it would look like? Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all. Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever. What I mean to say is that ... ... no one has the right to grow a corp. Ask LOVESQUAD. Your arguement is that in high sec, where npc factions rule, that you should be able to crush any industrial corporation because you feel that you are superior. Your arguement fits best in low/null sec. High sec is where new bros learn to grow in the game. How can that be achieved when 50m+ sp characters are in a 300 man group shooting down 5m sp characters and calling it leet pvp? How can such low skill characters that most often trained into a mining barge even hope to fight off faction fit Battleships? My arguement IS NOT that this SHOULD NOT happen. Im ok with faction fit BS's chasing down miners in a corp. However it is the Number and duration of it that i find broken. A pvp alliance can war dec just anyone anyone, at once, for an unlimited amount of time because the costs are so low.
Raise the costs. No.
You put words in my mouth and argue as if I had personal feelings about it.
These are yours. Superiority is a matter of fact, as long as it is proven.
Nature works that way.
The weak perish.
It's natural and allows organic growth.
You seem not to know that new playwrs with proper instructions can
bring down battleships. Takes them what, an hour ? to learn with practise.
You not knowing better does not change that.
And someone who can fly a barge can fly a frigate.
Can skill ten minutes to ecm.
Can lock, activate a module and orbit.
All that stands in your way of realising what's going on ...
... is realising that you are missing far more than you are aware of.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20800
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:11:30 -
[13] - Quote
Danalee wrote:alexclone1 wrote:Trollbait after trollbait after trollbait while ignoring every way forward.
I'm calling bullshit right about now. OP is trollbait and nothing more. Touch+¬, you got me. D. Out.
No.
He's a hater with agenda.
It's perfect to cement once again how wrong they are.
And the next time someone comes up with it ...
... we just link here ...
... and lock down the thread on our own.
Sqdly people on our side work against us as well ...
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20801
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:21:16 -
[14] - Quote
Oh I forgot.
Raising the costs is pointless and bad.
It would just make it harder for newer pilots to wardec others.
This btw shows how flawed your perception is when it comes to the game.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20804
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:30:20 -
[15] - Quote
Quote:
interesting. plz post kill mail
And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater.
This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us ....
You actually think this ends my argument.
You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake.
But tell you what.
You roll a new char and we show you.
Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left.
So... what's your excuse now?
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20804
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:31:13 -
[16] - Quote
Oh btw hi Veers.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20804
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:32:06 -
[17] - Quote
Danalee wrote:I'll end it with this; I can make a corp. In that corp I can mine, mission, have structures, have no tax and I can market PVP. Anyone can wardec my small corp. If that happens, which will be very rare, I can continue doing the same thing as before. 10 man corp? Same thing. 100 man corp? SAME THING. 5000000+ Alliance... guess what? Same yeah. Your argument is so flawed it went from funny to sad and back, twice. Wardecs should be free. D.
Let's do this.
Can I join?
No one wants me even though I even made a recruitment thread. :(
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20804
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:44:53 -
[18] - Quote
alexclone1 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Quote:
interesting. plz post kill mail
And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater. This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us .... You actually think this ends my argument. You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake. But tell you what. You roll a new char and we show you. Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left. So... what's your excuse now? Please calm down, i dont mean any disrespect. Firstly you said it would take an hour to kill a battleship. Ok, im sure it can be done. My question is how often does 1 guy wardec a corp? Im sure it happens, but i DONT have issues with that. My issues are with the mulitple mega war decing groups that can war dec everyone at will. Where is this Battlehips's friends? Im sure you been in high sec wars, and you would know that even a war dec'd frigate would be met with EVERYONE trying to get on a km.
No, I did say it takes an hour for a noob to learn.
I wardecced quite a few corps.
I even joined alliances to take on eveuni on my own.
When I was -10 in highsec.
A stalemate at 10vs me in a bouncing tornado ...
... ended with them bringing 20 more.
It was hilarious! I got booted for ruining their killboard,
because I refused to stop exlerimenting and learning.
Solstice Project, Space P0lice alliance.
Look ... I can assure you that big corps can as well be beaten.
Tactics and attitude are everything. Take down ONE blingy ship of these idiots
and they will tuck their tail up thejr rear ends and run crying for their goddamn mother!
Besides there usually being reasons for these decs. (seriously you might have someone
in corp who keeps running a big mouth, maybe even deliberately. You need to ask deccers! nicely!)
I can also assure you that your personal biggest enemies of a happy game are ...
... your own ignorance about what you do not know.
... all the people who share your viewpoint and don't know better.
Drop these morons and interact with people
who actually know what they are doing!
You will be surprised, trust me.
The issue you are bringing up is not fixable,
because the victims are ignorant about their possibilities ...
... and or might simply be outmeta'd by a member who runs a big mouth towards others.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20810
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:47:11 -
[19] - Quote
Ssshhhh Pedro, it's going well right now... :)
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20811
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 18:57:50 -
[20] - Quote
Raising the cost achieves nothing but the opposite.
Noobs will be unable to afford wardecs.
Old megacorps as you put them have ISK to **** out anyway.
Malcanis' Law applies.
Sorry but that's simply no solution.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
|
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20820
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 19:38:06 -
[21] - Quote
It went so well ... and now this.
So completely unnecessary.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20826
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 19:47:50 -
[22] - Quote
If you wouldn't nonsensically react to the hate-bait ...
... and instead read and respond the posts of those you were already talking with ...
... it would help.
Let me repeat ... increasing the wardec fee solves nothing.
People still have that money. And your idea opens up the door for abuse,
because people can and will simply wardec themselves using alts.
That would make it unnecessarily expensive in general.
That would mean people group up even more ...
... and THEN we have the same situation as now ...
... with someone new coming up, proposing some idea that simply does not work.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
20828
|
Posted - 2015.04.21 19:57:22 -
[23] - Quote
alexclone1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:alexclone1 wrote:
What is up with you and mouths? Ive never been war dec'd due to smarting off.
Yet. Like I said, if anyone finds the carebear corp this guy is trying to hide, let me know. I JUST TOLD YOU MY MAIN. READ UP. FFS Seriously, what is your malfunction?
No, they are hate-baiting you into responses so you slowly go nuts.
I suggest stopping, because you can not possibly handle so many people at once.
Constantly reading and replying.
Reading and replying.
And time pressure, of course.
More reading.
More replies.
The brain isn't made for that.
I certainly will abandon this thread now ...
... because I can't possibly support these selfish haters.
Too bad for the thread, it went into the right direction.
"Starting, taking part in, or completing a z0r chain is punishable by a permaban from the forums" - actual rule.
My 386DX33 was the most expensive computer I ever owned.
Eat. Sleep. Profit. Repeat.
|
|
|
| |
|